CS&D Podcast Episode 17: Blender Jackie Zykan of Hidden Barn and Oduoak Debunks Lazy Assumptions about Whiskey Flavors, Blending, and Sensory

Zykan, former master taster for Old Forester, current master blender for Hidden Barn and perfumer for Oduoak, joins host Sydney Jones for a rollicking episode of intentionality and shared experience.

Sydney Jones Oct 15, 2024 - 3 min read

CS&D Podcast Episode 17: Blender Jackie Zykan of Hidden Barn and Oduoak Debunks Lazy Assumptions about Whiskey Flavors, Blending, and Sensory Primary Image

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Jackie Zykan of Hidden Barn and Oduoak can tell you what aromas and flavors she detects when she smells and tastes whiskey, but she’d rather not put it in terms that you can connect with. After all, if she tells you she gets almond, you’ll most likely perceive and focus on that almond. But as she says in the episode, “Who cares if you ... get almond or not? I don’t care. There is no wrong or right.”

The spirited blender has strong opinions about the current state of whiskey- and bourbon-blending, education, and consumer feedback; in this episode, Zykan and Jones discuss:

  • Lessons learned from working behind the bar
  • Oak contributions to aged whiskey
  • The industry’s manipulation of tasting descriptors to create generic experiences
  • Finding workable and interesting permutations in bourbon blends
  • Figuring barrel volumes when working into blends
  • Using small bits of sometimes “flawed” whiskey to add character and an edge to a blend
  • Moving the bourbon community to a better language around flavor and sensory
  • Layering top, middle, and bass notes in whiskey-based perfume
  • Focusing on intentionality and going full gas, no brakes

And more.


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Sydney Jones is a supervisor and lead distillery technician at the newly-constructed Heaven Hill Springs Distillery in Bardstown, Kentucky. Previously, she worked as the first female head distiller for FEW Spirits in Evanston, Illinois, and has been working in the distilled-spirits industry since 2016, specializing in whiskey and gin production.

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